Labor says Starmer’s ‘immigration dependency’ comment doesn’t mean politics are same as Tories – UK Politics Live |  Policy

Labor says Starmer’s ‘immigration dependency’ comment doesn’t mean politics are same as Tories – UK Politics Live | Policy

In its overnight press release about Keir Starmer’s speech, Labour identifies four changes it would make to the current rules that allow some foreigners to get work visas. It says it would

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Reform and strengthen how the migration advisory committee works so that it has better information, connects across government departments on labour shortages and skills shortages, and projects future trends.

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Tackle visa processes and timing so it works of employers and employees, avoiding labour shortages that hurt the economy.

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Ensure that where there are shortages that need to be filled through international recruitment, we also make sure there is proper training, plans for improving pay and conditions or modernisation of the sectors.

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Ensure all employers able to sponsor visas are meeting decent standards of pay and conditions.

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According to the extract from Keir Starmer’s speech to the CBI released by Labour in advance, he will say that a Labour government would be “pragmatic” on the shortage of workers in the economy and would not ignore the need for “skilled people’ to come to the country. But he will go on:

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But I want to be clear here: with my Labour government any movement in our point-based migration system, whether via the skilled occupation route, or the shortage worker list, will come with new conditions for business.

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We will expect you to bring forward a clear plan for higher skills and more training, for better pay and conditions, for investment in new technology.

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But our common goal must be to help the British economy off its immigration dependency. To start investing more in training up workers who are already here.

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Migration is part of our national story – always has been, always will be. And the Labour Party will never diminish the contribution it makes to the economy, to public services, to your businesses and our communities.

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But let me tell you – the days when low pay and cheap labour are part of the British way on growth must end.

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Now, I know most businesses get this. But when we look at our economy as a whole, it can seem like we’re more comfortable hiring people to work in low paid, insecure, sometimes exploitative contracts than we are investing in the new technology that delivers for workers, productivity and our country.

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And we can’t compete like that. Britain’s low pay model has to go. It doesn’t serve working people. It’s not compatible with grassroots growth.

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Good morning. Keir Starmer is addressing the CBI this morning, and, as my colleague Jessica Elgot reports in our overnight report, he will say that “our common goal must be to help the British economy off its immigration dependency. To start investing more in training up workers who are already here”.

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And here is another quote from the speech.

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We are not going back to the same old broken model with low wages, low growth, low skills, and low productivity, all of it enabled and assisted by uncontrolled immigration …

The answer … is not to reach for that same old lever of uncontrolled immigration, to keep wages low.

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The answer is to control immigration, to allow people of talent to come to this country, but not to use immigration as an excuse for failure to invest in people, in skills and in the equipment the facilities the machinery they need to do their jobs.

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Oops, sorry, wrong speech. That is not Keir Starmer to the CBI in 2022. That was Boris Johnson to the Conservative party conference in 2021.

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The comparison shows how – quite deliberately – Labour is engaged in an important piece of repositioning, on an issue at the heart of the Brexit debate and central to the concern of voters.

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But that does not mean the Conservative and Labour parties’ positions are now identical. Jonathan Reynolds, the shadow business secretary, was giving interviews this morning and on the Today programme Amol Rajan, the presenter, put it to him that it was now very hard to see the difference between the two parties on their approach to immigrant workers. Reynolds replied:

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I would say on the issue of better pay and conditions in something like the care sector, we’ve got clear employment policies that we’ve put forward, things like fair pay agreements, which would drive up [pay] across the sector. [On] pay and conditions, there is no approach from the government at all on that. They have not even fulfilled their promise of an employment bill.

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On things like better skills training, the apprenticeship levy was a good policy, but it’s led to a massive decline in the number of apprenticeships since it was introduced. Our policy to give businesses more freedom would, I think, strengthen apprenticeships, but also allow them to spend some of that levy on other forms of training.

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I don’t think anyone can say right now, if you look at the shortages in the labour market, but also the situation with skills training in the country, that these things are being delivered now. So I think ours is a clear plan, a clear improvement on what is happening at the moment.

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9.45am: Keir Starmer gives his speech to the CBI conference.

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11.30am: Downing Street holds a lobby briefing.

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11.30am: Dominic Raab, the justice secretary, takes questions in the Commons.

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2.30pm: Raab gives evidence to the Commons justice committee.

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Afternoon: Cyril Ramaphosa, the South African president, gives an address to MPs and peers in the royal gallery at Westminster as part of his state visit.

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I try to monitor the comments below the line (BTL) but it is impossible to read them all. If you have a direct question, do include “Andrew” in it somewhere and I’m more likely to find it. I do try to answer questions and, if they are of general interest, I will post the question and reply above the line (ATL), although I can’t promise to do this for everyone.

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If you want to attract my attention quickly, it is probably better to use Twitter. I’m on @AndrewSparrow.

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Alternatively, you can email me at andrew.sparrow@theguardian.com

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In its overnight press release about Keir Starmer’s speech, Labour identifies four changes it would make to the current rules that allow some foreigners to get work visas. It says it would

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Reform and strengthen how the migration advisory committee works so that it has better information, connects across government departments on labour shortages and skills shortages, and projects future trends.

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Tackle visa processes and timing so it works of employers and employees, avoiding labour shortages that hurt the economy.

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Ensure that where there are shortages that need to be filled through international recruitment, we also make sure there is proper training, plans for improving pay and conditions or modernisation of the sectors.

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Ensure all employers able to sponsor visas are meeting decent standards of pay and conditions.

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According to the extract from Keir Starmer’s speech to the CBI released by Labour in advance, he will say that a Labour government would be “pragmatic” on the shortage of workers in the economy and would not ignore the need for “skilled people’ to come to the country. But he will go on:

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But I want to be clear here: with my Labour government any movement in our point-based migration system, whether via the skilled occupation route, or the shortage worker list, will come with new conditions for business.

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We will expect you to bring forward a clear plan for higher skills and more training, for better pay and conditions, for investment in new technology.

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But our common goal must be to help the British economy off its immigration dependency. To start investing more in training up workers who are already here.

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Migration is part of our national story – always has been, always will be. And the Labour Party will never diminish the contribution it makes to the economy, to public services, to your businesses and our communities.

\n

But let me tell you – the days when low pay and cheap labour are part of the British way on growth must end.

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Now, I know most businesses get this. But when we look at our economy as a whole, it can seem like we’re more comfortable hiring people to work in low paid, insecure, sometimes exploitative contracts than we are investing in the new technology that delivers for workers, productivity and our country.

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And we can’t compete like that. Britain’s low pay model has to go. It doesn’t serve working people. It’s not compatible with grassroots growth.

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Good morning. Keir Starmer is addressing the CBI this morning, and, as my colleague Jessica Elgot reports in our overnight report, he will say that “our common goal must be to help the British economy off its immigration dependency. To start investing more in training up workers who are already here”.

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And here is another quote from the speech.

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We are not going back to the same old broken model with low wages, low growth, low skills, and low productivity, all of it enabled and assisted by uncontrolled immigration …

The answer … is not to reach for that same old lever of uncontrolled immigration, to keep wages low.

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The answer is to control immigration, to allow people of talent to come to this country, but not to use immigration as an excuse for failure to invest in people, in skills and in the equipment the facilities the machinery they need to do their jobs.

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Oops, sorry, wrong speech. That is not Keir Starmer to the CBI in 2022. That was Boris Johnson to the Conservative party conference in 2021.

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The comparison shows how – quite deliberately – Labour is engaged in an important piece of repositioning, on an issue at the heart of the Brexit debate and central to the concern of voters.

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But that does not mean the Conservative and Labour parties’ positions are now identical. Jonathan Reynolds, the shadow business secretary, was giving interviews this morning and on the Today programme Amol Rajan, the presenter, put it to him that it was now very hard to see the difference between the two parties on their approach to immigrant workers. Reynolds replied:

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I would say on the issue of better pay and conditions in something like the care sector, we’ve got clear employment policies that we’ve put forward, things like fair pay agreements, which would drive up [pay] across the sector. [On] pay and conditions, there is no approach from the government at all on that. They have not even fulfilled their promise of an employment bill.

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On things like better skills training, the apprenticeship levy was a good policy, but it’s led to a massive decline in the number of apprenticeships since it was introduced. Our policy to give businesses more freedom would, I think, strengthen apprenticeships, but also allow them to spend some of that levy on other forms of training.

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I don’t think anyone can say right now, if you look at the shortages in the labour market, but also the situation with skills training in the country, that these things are being delivered now. So I think ours is a clear plan, a clear improvement on what is happening at the moment.

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9.45am: Keir Starmer gives his speech to the CBI conference.

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11.30am: Downing Street holds a lobby briefing.

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11.30am: Dominic Raab, the justice secretary, takes questions in the Commons.

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2.30pm: Raab gives evidence to the Commons justice committee.

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Afternoon: Cyril Ramaphosa, the South African president, gives an address to MPs and peers in the royal gallery at Westminster as part of his state visit.

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I try to monitor the comments below the line (BTL) but it is impossible to read them all. If you have a direct question, do include “Andrew” in it somewhere and I’m more likely to find it. I do try to answer questions and, if they are of general interest, I will post the question and reply above the line (ATL), although I can’t promise to do this for everyone.

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If you want to attract my attention quickly, it is probably better to use Twitter. I’m on @AndrewSparrow.

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Alternatively, you can email me at andrew.sparrow@theguardian.com

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How Labor says it would change current work visa arrangements

In its overnight press release on Keir Starmer’s speech, the Labor Party identifies four changes it would make to the current rules that allow some foreigners to obtain work visas. He says it would be

Reform and strengthen the functioning of the migration advisory committee so that it has better information, connects between ministries on labor shortages and skills shortages, and projects future trends.

Tackling visa processes and timelines to make it work for employers and employees, avoiding labor shortages that hurt the economy.

Ensuring that where there are shortages that need to be filled by international recruitment, we also ensure that there is adequate training, plans for improving wages and conditions or upgrading of sectors.

Ensure that all employers able to sponsor visas meet decent pay standards and conditions.

What Starmer will tell CBI about the need for companies to end their ‘immigration addiction’

According to the extract from Keir Starmer’In his speech to the CBI released in advance by Labor, he will say that a Labor government would be ‘pragmatic’ about the shortage of workers in the economy and would not ignore the need for ‘skilled people’ to come into the country. But he will continue:

But I want to be clear here: with my Labor government, any movement in our points-based migration system, whether through the skilled occupations route or the shortage workers list, will come with new conditions for businesses. .

We expect you to present a clear plan for higher skills and more training, for better wages and conditions, for investments in new technologies.

But our common goal must be to help the UK economy emerge from its dependence on immigration. Start investing more in training workers who are already here.

Migration is part of our national history – it always has been, it always will be. And the Labor Party will never diminish the contribution it makes to the economy, to public services, to your businesses and to our communities.

But let me tell you, the days when low wages and cheap labor were part of Britain’s growth strategy must end.

Now I know most companies get this. But when we look at our economy as a whole, it may seem like we’re more comfortable hiring people to work in low-paying, insecure, and sometimes abusive contracts than investing in new technology that benefits workers. , to productivity and to our country. .

And we can’t compete like that. The British low-wage model must go. It does not serve the workers. This is not compatible with grassroots growth.

Labor says Starmer’s pledge to end corporate ‘immigration dependency’ does not make his policy identical to the Tories

Hello. Keir Starmer addresses the CBI this morning and, as my colleague Jessica Elgot reports in our overnight report, he will say that ‘our common aim must be to help the UK economy break free from its dependence on regard to immigration. Start investing more in training the workers who are already there.”

And here is another quote from the speech.

We are not going back to the same old broken model with low wages, low growth, low skills and low productivity, all enabled and aided by unchecked immigration…

The answer…is not to reach for that same old lever of unchecked immigration, to keep wages low.

The answer is to control immigration, to allow talented people to come to this country, but not to use immigration as an excuse not to invest in people, in skills and in equipment, facilities, the machines they need to do their jobs.

Oops, sorry, bad speech. It’s not Keir Starmer at the CBI in 2022. It was Boris Johnson at the Conservative Party Conference in 2021.

The comparison shows how – in a deliberate way – Labor has embarked on a significant repositioning, on a subject at the heart of the Brexit debate and at the center of voters’ concerns.

But that does not mean that the positions of the Conservative and Labor parties are now identical. Jonathan Reynoldsthe shadow business secretary, was giving interviews this morning and on the Today show Amol Rajanthe presenter, told him that it was now very difficult to see the difference between the two parties in their approach to immigrant workers. Reynolds answered:

I would say that on the issue of improving wages and conditions in a sector like the care sector, we have clear employment policies that we have proposed, things like fair wage agreements, which would increase [pay] across the sector. [On] salary and conditions, there is no government approach to this. They didn’t even deliver on their promise of a jobs bill.

In terms of things like better vocational training, the apprenticeship levy was good policy, but it has led to a massive drop in the number of apprenticeships since it was introduced. Our policy of giving more freedom to companies would, I think, make it possible to reinforce apprenticeship, but also to allow them to devote part of this tax to other forms of training.

I don’t think anyone can say right now, if you look at the shortages in the labor market, but also the job training situation in the country, that these things are available now. So I think ours is a clear plan, a big improvement on what’s happening right now.

9:45 a.m.: Keir Starmer gives his speech at the CBI conference.

11:30 a.m.: Downing Street holds a lobby briefing.

11:30 a.m.: Dominic Raab, the justice secretary, answers questions in the Commons.

2:30 p.m.: Raab testifies before the House of Commons Justice Committee.

Afternoon: Cyril Ramaphosa, the President of South Africa, delivers a speech to MPs and his peers in the Royal Gallery, Westminster as part of his State visit.

I try to monitor comments below the line (BTL) but it’s impossible to read them all. If you have a direct question, include “Andrew” somewhere and I’m more likely to find it. I try to answer questions, and if they’re of general interest, I’ll post the question and answer above the line (ATL), although I can’t promise to do this for everyone.

If you want to get my attention quickly, it’s probably best to use Twitter. I’m on it @AndrewSparrow.

You can also email me at andrew.sparrow@theguardian.com

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